tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post5692781502370181966..comments2024-03-12T04:51:46.468-05:00Comments on Blue Gal: And while we're on a controversy riff...Fran / Blue Galhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18293627981248346055noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-74866098974371544122008-09-16T12:40:00.000-05:002008-09-16T12:40:00.000-05:00Part of me felt it was tasteless - part of me felt...Part of me felt it was tasteless - part of me felt it was well done. Regardless, I support driftglass' right to make it and post it. It's intended to be provocative, and I found it to be for me, but any art or political statement can say more than one thing at once, and stir more than one reaction over time. I felt a twinge, then thought about it. In my case, it's not that I question at all that 9/11 has been flogged as a reason for shredding the Constitution. It's 9/11 itself.<BR/><BR/>And another reason is that, since I do a series on right-wing cartoons, I see cartoons of planes smashing into buildings, the Statue of Liberty, etc. all the friggin' time. It's one of the favorite motifs of right-wing cartoonists. If you want a quick sample, the best overview is probably my <A HREF="http://blueherald.com/2007/10/right-wing-cartoon-watch-hall-of-infamy-edition/" REL="nofollow">Hall of Infamy</A> post from last year, but trust me, there have been plenty more since. <BR/> <BR/>Last point – and this is pretty damn relevant – driftglass' actual post accompanying the pic is fantastic. 9/11 was long ago politicized and exploited, and if it's spoken about in a political context, I'd at least like it to be accurate. Right-wing cartoonists want to provoke an emotional reaction and drive out thought and dissent; for them, 9/11 is a bludgeon, a trump card to establish moral superiority, a way to drive out thought and squash dissent to a truly radical, dangerous agenda (read Barton Gellman's Angler excerpts in the WaPo if you haven't; it's chilling, and that just covers ignoring the 4th Amendment, not the Bushies' war of choice in Iraq). Driftglass' piece spurred an initial emotion reaction for me, but then also invited rather than drove out thought. That's a crucial distinction that's been pretty central to American politics for at least the past 50 years. <BR/><BR/>(I might blog on this one later, but thanks.)Batocchiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193752396025012825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-21625760353602639642008-09-15T03:40:00.000-05:002008-09-15T03:40:00.000-05:00over half the 9/11 victims families want a new IND...over half the 9/11 victims families want a new INDEPENDENT investigation of 9/11, and many also believe that the event was allowed or engineered by the government to scare them into the dismantling of American laws and values which the image refers to.<BR/><BR/>so i don't see how pointing out the agenda of using 9/11 to bring about all of these changes (for the worse) that we have seen shows any disrespect or insensitivity to the friends and families of 9/11 victims. on the contrary, it seems to honor them, and the views a majority of them have, and point to a need to bring the real perpetrators to justice, one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-47927425892076904612008-09-14T20:28:00.000-05:002008-09-14T20:28:00.000-05:00I agree with ghost dansing. I also thought it was ...I agree with ghost dansing. I also thought it was blisteringly truthful. I forwarded Drifty's entire post to everyone I know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-38306211754668702842008-09-13T17:27:00.000-05:002008-09-13T17:27:00.000-05:00I created a very similar image for a 9/11 post in ...I created a very similar image for a <A HREF="http://yikes101.blogspot.com/2007/09/day-of-mourning.html" REL="nofollow">9/11 post</A> in 2007. I have a tiny blog, so it didn't generate much conversation, but I wanted to make the statement.<BR/><BR/><BR/>BACBAChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04394238321236592123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-8344448557146179482008-09-13T13:17:00.000-05:002008-09-13T13:17:00.000-05:00It's the perfect image. People weren't the only on...It's the perfect image. People weren't the only ones murdered that day.<BR/>I'm so tired of misplaced anger and faux outrage.<BR/>Osama attacked this country hoping that our commitment to democratic values was superficial and that we'd expose ourselves as the immoral fascists he believed we are. Bush, and a majority of Americans (including, I suspect, many of those who are complaining) proved him right.<BR/><BR/>So, to those who who complained, Stop whining. It won't salve your conscience.Gen. JC Christian, Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18168245574200791393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-64521488846429710312008-09-12T19:45:00.000-05:002008-09-12T19:45:00.000-05:00It's interesting to see how the Driftglass app...It's interesting to see how the Driftglass approach to photoshopping is complementing his writing chops, Most formidable - It's a medium as rife with promise as blogs in my opinion, to reference BG's earlier repost.<BR/><BR/>And speaking as someone who has courted the occasional mild photographic controversy, the buffoons who seek a trembling leaf from which to point their grubby fingers as the oddly colored sky in their little world falls can either choose not to look (most unlikely, given their predelictions) or they can - oh, what do the youth say these days, ah yes - SUCK IT.<BR/><BR/>;>)darkblackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06584075324283109495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-87321606026627366802008-09-12T15:20:00.000-05:002008-09-12T15:20:00.000-05:00the image actually captures the symbolic complexit...the image actually captures the symbolic complexity of the event itself...... and attack by forces opposed to Liberal America, and erosion of our Liberties by anti-Liberal forces of governance in response.<BR/><BR/>ironic.... paradoxicalGhost Dansinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15216056025402469120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-11174853895636852622008-09-12T11:12:00.000-05:002008-09-12T11:12:00.000-05:00Images are supposed to provoke- especially in chal...Images are supposed to provoke- especially in challenging times.<BR/><BR/>The opposite of being shocked and even offended at large is that living under totalitarian regime.<BR/><BR/>Which we practically do...Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-81394053794451259692008-09-12T10:05:00.000-05:002008-09-12T10:05:00.000-05:00nothing i can add to your commentary- it was spot ...nothing i can add to your commentary- it was spot on. unfortunately, for this country, this cartoon is spot on.billiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16206096509976316141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-87839759146411584582008-09-12T09:58:00.000-05:002008-09-12T09:58:00.000-05:00I recoiled when I saw the image. I also understood...I recoiled when I saw the image. I also understood where Sir Drifty was coming from. Two very different and seemingly conflicted reactions.<BR/><BR/>Our current method of confronting the discord is to find strident voices to represent two extreme views and let them scream it out.<BR/>Then cut to commercial.<BR/><BR/>Anger at Driftglass is grossly misplaced in this case. The image is a mirror. Only reflecting what's been put in front of it.Rehctawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995444077162800445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983386.post-84638536577615640362008-09-12T09:42:00.000-05:002008-09-12T09:42:00.000-05:00You've hit the nail on the head and that's why fre...You've hit the nail on the head and that's why freedom of speech is difficult sometimes.<BR/><BR/>There are strong emotions for victims and equally strong emotions from commentators. It's impossible to balance things so that everyone is treated fairly and in the end someone gets screwed.<BR/><BR/>I wish there was a way to cover both cases, but it is simply impossible. In fact, I think this is sometimes what gets the media into a pickle. Whichever side that doesn't get their issue treated like they want it is going to be pissed off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com