Okay, brace yourselves. I'm actually going to link to Pammy at Atlas Shrugs, (and show off some pro-Palin panties, natch).
How YOU doin'?
I spent a good bit of time yesterday at this thread at the impetus of fellow blogger Intoxination. Intoxination has all the background on a CBS story regarding an Indiana US Attorney (Bush appointee) who tried in January 2009 to get the IP addresses and other personal info for visitors of the website Indymedia.
Pammy called foul and how dare Obama spy on citizens of the USA. I am not making that up.
Here are excerpts from the comment thread but feel free to go over and check it yourself. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was editing for content*** or more likely, correcting spelling of other commenters.
***why would I? It's comedy gold!
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Jeesh, this is no President, this is a Dictator. Are American citizens going to put up with this?
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Thanks to Pamela's brave work in exposing this Banana Republic dictator for the marxist he is we all saw this coming. Now, what to do? Isn't this a job of our congress to see to it the pospotus (pos+potus) and his DOJ doesn't overstep the law? If they are not going to do a damn thing to stop this what can I do to stop it? I contact my senators all the time, that's only half efective, one is the good Sen DeMint the other is the nutjob Lindsay Graham. He is as worthless as tits on a bull. I am open to sugestions, anyone?
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--potables
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get:
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don't:
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when:
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p.s. and, make the decision, "is it real, or is it memorex."
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Goebbels would be so proud.
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According to the article you linked, this request from the Justice Department happened in June 2008. Obama had not even received the Democratic Nomination at the convention yet.
Seriously, Pamela, I hope you will continue to pursue this, and find out exactly what Michael Mukasey, Dick Cheney, and George W. Bush were looking for, in complete violation of our Constitutional right of privacy.
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Blue Gal- actually it was requested by DOJ on January 23rd 2009 for information accessed on the website June 25, 2008
Oh and Bush isnt president anymore.
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Unless I am missing something, all they are going to get is data that tells them HOW MANY people entered the site and some vague idea about where those people, or their ISP are located. This is because 99% of us have dynamic IP addresses. Only those with dedicated and static IP addresses will have their identity known. This points to the FEDs not really knowing wht they are doing more than anything else. If anyone has any information to the contrary please post to update me on this subject.
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graysheepdog that's thirteen days before Eric Holder was sworn in as AG.
Bush isn't President any more but the allegation and request are from a Bush appointee in Indiana. I would love it if this blog and Hot Air would work vociferously for a repeal of the Patriot Act. We could join together on this, left and right. Happy to.
Seriously, I'm in. Let's repeal the Patriot Act.
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graysheepdog - so are you suggesting that on the third day of being President, Obama found a prosecutor, had a federal grand jury seated and was able to get them to grant this subpoena? If that is the case then he really is "the one".
Sorry to bust your bubble but this case was started under the Bush administration and the decision to go after the subpoena was under Bush and Mukasey. As CBS points out, the AG would have to authorize such a subpoena, and as they wrongly claim that would have to be Eric Holder. That's a good trick since the subpoena was on 1/23/09 and Holder didn't get confirmed until 2/2/09.
Some blame can go to the Obama administration for the case continuing under their watch, but we don't even know the actual details of it. How would the right respond if the Obama DOJ just happened to drop a case against a left leaning site like indymedia without any real reason?
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BlueGal & Intox. Read my post. I was responding to BlueGals incorrect comment of this request being made in June 2008. "this request from the Justice Department happened in June 2008."
Was my response wrong?
Get over yourselves.
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The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.
This is sooooo wrong!
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Maybe this has something to do with it. A simple archive search of the site for the day in question.... http://indymedia.us/en/2008/06/32113.shtml
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Okay so the Bush guy in Indiana thought he could subpoena IP addys to find ecoterrorists. Good research, graysheepdog.
The bottom line of this whole argument is the Patriot Act is a violation of ALL Americans' Constitutional liberties. I'm still waiting for a response to my offer that all bloggers left right whatever join in an effort to overturn the Patriot Act. It was wrong when that guy-who-isn't-President-anymore pushed it through, and it's wrong now.
BlueGal the bottom line is, you liberals are like foaming at the mouth heat seeking missils whenever you can scent Bush/Cheney involvement in anything.
I long for Bush/Cheney. Least they weren't decaying the basic rights of this country. Least they weren't anti american. PS Worry about Mr.Holder a little bit. Remember he and Janet Reno set Waco on fire. Remember?
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The Patriot Act - Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001
hardly the same thing as big brother monitoring regular American citizens visiting a news blog. Remember it was Obama who wanted his minion trolls to report and forward emails to him that he deemed inappropriate and tracking visitors to administration web sites. For what?
Leftards only cry about privacy when it invloves Bush. Not a peep under Clinton or Zero.
I can't seem to find any outrage from fran about flag@whitehouse.gov
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Dang. I guess Ms. Geller didn't bother to read the article. The President had nothing to do with it. In fact, the U.S. Attorney (Tim Morrison in Indianapolis) who requested the information (didn't even serve a subpoena properly) failed to get the prior approval of the Attorney General as is required.
Much ado about absolutely NOTHING. I guess it's easier to sensationalize something if you don't use the facts, LOL! I agree w/the other comments that it would be better to be concerned aboutthe Patriot Act and repealing it.
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Actually, I agree with the more left-leaning folks here about letting the sun set on the Patriot Act NOW! But my reasons are different than theirs, more than likely. Under the guy-who-isn't-President-anymore, I did not feel threatened by this Act; George Bush was not interested into digging into the business of most citizens. However under the guy-who-is-president-NOW, well, my inner alarm system has not stopped beeping since early February of 2008.
Intoxination has been posting regular updates on the facts behind the CBS story.
My offer to join any right wing blog or pundit, even Glenn Beck, in an effort to repeal the Patriot Act, stands. Yeah you'll have to admit it was written, endorsed, pushed through, and passed under someone who, um, "isn't President anymore."
It's so cute how they think the "Bush isn't President anymore" soap washes the blood and sin, yes I mean it in the Judeo-Christian 'I do believe in a just G-d' way, from their hands.
The second pair of panties are from my real homegirls at the Evil Sluts.
Excuse me graysheepdog, are you quoting the TITLE of a LAW to say what it MEANS? Really?
The Patriot Act was passed after 9/11/2001. After Clinton, so yeah, there was no possibility of repealing it during Clinton because it wasn't a law.
There is now. And herdzcatz I could not care less whether the President is Republican Democrat Green Party or the Party of No. The federal government does not have the right under our Constitution to SPY on its citizens, except that under provisions of "The Patriot Act - Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001" they DO. And it is CONSERVATIVES who have all of a sudden woken up to just how awful that is.
Why can't you guys see that I'm agreeing with you? NO President should be able to do what Bush did (Google "Telecom Immunity" and see why AT&T wants immunity from prosecution-- they broke the law because the Bush Homeland Security Dept. told them to) and what you say Obama is continuing to do. We must stop him and all future Presidents from taking steps against the citizenry through this act.
If you can't step up to the plate and admit that under Bush, who is no longer President (thanks for the tip), Constitutional rights of the citizenry were taken away and we MUST take them back again by repealing the Patriot Act, get off the stage and out of this thread. I have no time for you.
I'm going to post most of this thread at my blog tomorrow morning. My readers will get a big kick out of it. Thank you.
Posted by: Blue Gal/Fran Langum | Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 08:50 PM